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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:33:00 -
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If coming in through gates is using the front door, then black ops bridges are coming in through the window and titan bridges are coming in through the living room wall. Your idea has problems:
- Makes no lore sense. If your ship has trouble warping 200 AU, what makes you think it will have less trouble warping entire light years?
- Minimizes the importance of jump bridges, titan bridges, etc. I'm all for eliminating these, because they make movement too easy, but this makes movement even easier.
- Makes movement too easy. The "defense" is supposed to have some "terrain advantage", but when the enemy can simply warp into a safe spot in your system, what's the point? What's the point of owning a blockade runner or jump freighter for resupply when you can probably just safely barge right into 0.0 with a friggin freighter?
So... no.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:35:00 -
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Xorv wrote:No, Local Chat Intel needs to be removed. Fights could then occur more frequently off gates and stations at points of resource access (aka PvE)
Bingo.
But everyone's tired of discussing that.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:46:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:I'm sure we can come up with some combination to make it effective for hunting baddies without relying on gate mechanics.
Unless you plan to sit a dictor/ceptor on every carebear in the region, I don't see what you could do. Should I also mention that dictors/ceptors are very vulnerable, and will die horribly to a determined carebear ganker in, say, a Vagabond or Cynabal? Or hell, since there is nothing stopping it from coming in, even a Bhaalgorn.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:56:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ituhata wrote:I'm sure we can come up with some combination to make it effective for hunting baddies without relying on gate mechanics. Unless you plan to sit a dictor/ceptor on every carebear in the region, I don't see what you could do. Should I also mention that dictors/ceptors are very vulnerable, and will die horribly to a determined carebear ganker in, say, a Vagabond or Cynabal? Or hell, since there is nothing stopping it from coming in, even a Bhaalgorn. A good combination. Does not mean send in one ship at a time.
It takes an interceptor 30 seconds to go about 50 AU across a solar system. It takes an interdictor longer. In that time, a ganker can do enough damage to kill any mining barge, and can probably do enough to break any active tanking carebear. If the gankee is not dead by then, since the ganker has dscan and local as well, he will see the support coming and simply leave.
Seeing as how 1 LY is 63239 AU, and it would take multiple hours at current warp speeds to get from system to system... what ganks are you going to prevent?
I, for one, would love this to be how system mechanics
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:57:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Interdictors are a nono since they use the fearsome bubble and the rest are useless if you can't get the enemy to appear at a gate and force him to fight.
So you cant set a bait ship, you cant probe someone down, you cant fleet warp in and get the point and throw a bubble up and kill something?
Have you ever seen a 0.0 ganker whose ship did not have the ability to easily get away from a trap?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:00:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:So why is it successful now but not in the new scenario?
It's not successful now.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:04:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ituhata wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Interdictors are a nono since they use the fearsome bubble and the rest are useless if you can't get the enemy to appear at a gate and force him to fight.
So you cant set a bait ship, you cant probe someone down, you cant fleet warp in and get the point and throw a bubble up and kill something? Have you ever seen a 0.0 ganker whose ship did not have the ability to easily get away from a trap? Dual prop dramiels really, but then there are webbers. There's a counter for everything, if you want to keep throwing up a new condition that negates my previous statement it turns out they make a ship that can counter it. Sucess will not be guaranteed but it is certainly achievable.
Dualprop dramiels require 2+ webs from a frigate to be caught. 3+ from anything else.
Some other ganker ships that can easily GTFO: Vagabond, Cynabal, Curse, Pilgrim (sort of), Ishtar, Vigilant, Gila, Cerberus, Hurricane, Drake, all tier 3 BCs, all T3 cruisers, and any battleship that can project damage to over 30 km (most of them).
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:06:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ituhata wrote:So why is it successful now but not in the new scenario? It's not successful now. Not to say you're wrong, but I've been in gangs that have done this quite a few times so I am finding your statement hard to buy.
Not to say you're wrong, but I've never been caught in my Vagabonds, even when I jumped into camps. When I do lose Vagabonds it's not because of the trap/camp being successful, it's because of me being dumb and screwing up.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:08:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:700+ DPS cloaky blaster Proteus No worse than afk cloaking.
It's worse. The target doesn't see the Proteus coming on d-scan.
Ituhata wrote:
Sicne they have a fleet they can now go wreck your alliances operations.
I'd like to see CVA wreck my alliance's FW operations with their defense fleets when they fail to catch our Provi roaming gang.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1316
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:11:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:I always thought rapiers were rather effective at catching drams. I do like that you gave props to my 1200kps drake as a ship that can escape point. I've personally not had much success with that but the other guy usually brought a decent fleet.
Rapiers still have targeting recalibration after decloaking, and Dramiels are still fast.
A 1200 m/s Drake only needs to break out of long point range to warp, or to even just stay aligned at 40 km and pelt its target with HMLs, while not pointing.
Oh! I just realized something else that is just brilliant. I can bring my Orca into 0.0 for reshipping! Why would I ever want to own 0.0 space ever again?
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